Craig,
You know I'm a fan of yours but I'm not certain you are right about this one.

The Quilliam Foundation is a 'Private Company Limited by Guarantee without share capital' Company number : 06432342

I am not an expert in company law but does this not mean they are exempt from the filing of accounts? They filed an annual return 09.12.08. Company was incorporated 20.11.2007

-Control

Craig,

Nice to see you back.

I must admit that until today, I haven't taken any of the flu scare stories too seriously. Both my kids have had all the usual vaccinations, including my daughter recently for HPV which is supposed to protect against cervical cancer, and my son for Yellow Fever before he went to South America.

I was aware several months ago of the incident where Baxter contaminated a flu vaccine in an incredibly dangerous way which would have caused a Deadly Pandemic except for a test that a Checkoslovakian lab techician ran on his own initiative. This was reported in the Toronto Sun but was not widely published anywhere else in the mainstream.

I thought all the flu scares that have been relentlessly promoted by the mainstream press, were simply to increase profits for pharmaceutical companies, but that there would be no great danger to the general public.

The ideas on numerous internet sites, about a planned program of depopulation by the World Health Organisation were simply too far fetched to be taken seriously.

Putting all the different strands together of all events concerning vaccinations and the various types of flu, both scientific and political is extremely difficult to get your head around - because there are so many.

The vast majority of people will think this just a wild conspiracy story, that could not possible be true - as did I until today.

The problem I have though is that - maybe because I was named after a Nun, I have maintained both a Fear and Respect of Nuns.

The Nun in the video "A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!" scares the hell out of me. This isn't easy to watch, as it goes on for 1 hour - and its in Spanish with English subtitles, and she doesn't half go on....

However, the content and its implications should scare the shit out of you.

If it doesn't you haven't been paying attention.

Sure it sounds crazy that "they" really are trying to "solve" the overpopulation problem like - NOW - and kill Several Billion People over the Next Few Months - but this Girl Is Telling The Truth. This is Not out of Some Science Fiction Film - It is Real, Here and NOW

www.mrausa.net/showthread.php?t=1648

And what exactly is going on in the Ukraine?

www.theflucase.com

Tony

I dont believe a single word of The Official Line about the $ham War On Terror,Inc...

Just a military-media wetdream of insane faux-Christian NeoCons who just wanna war at any cost(and profit) at the expense of peoples with different coloured skins.

It's all a HUGE lie.

So the W.H.O. is really engaged in a genocidal project to depopulate the world... now everything makes sense!

As daft conspiracy theories go that's up there with '9/11 was an inside job using missiles and holographic planes'.

I supposed that's the cost of sticking you neck out to tell the truth about real hidden injustices; pretty soon every loony conspiracy nut is trying to jump on the wagon.

George Monbiot argues quite convincingly that the 'over population' is misdiagnosed:

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/09/29/the-population-myth/

He also has some interesting things to say about the (so-call) '9/11 Truth Movement':

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/02/20/bayoneting-a-scarecrow/

Watch Jane Burgermeister. If she's an actress, then she's better than Jodie Foster.

youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU

Tony

The best site I know for informed and objective reporting of the flu/flu vaccine panic is Meryl Nass M.D. at http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/

@Paul
Not all conspiracy theories of 9/11 suggest 'holographic planes'. For starters, the Kean Commission report doesn't mention them anywhere, yet still manages to be least plausible of all the accounts. I think both you and Monbiot are indulging in what Orwell in 1984 called 'crimestop'. I quote:

"Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."

@Vronksy - sounds like a good definition of Iain Dale's thought processes regarding Cameron's cast iron promises.

Companies House says that the QF accounts are overdue, so they must be expecting them to be submitted:

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/e473a907f36923b62b946aa6bc8ba453/compdetails

If swine flu is an attempt to depopulate the world, it's a bit of a dud. There is something really weird about the irrational scaremongering which talks up a huge variety of minimal threats - flu, SARS, the War on Terror etc. But that's a different story.

Craig,

Until today I would have completely agreed with you. I read the thing about Baxter's several months ago, and I thought yeh - so what. It only really started to register this morning - first from what the Nun said in Spanish - of which I watched nearly all of it - and then the interview with Jane Burgermeister - of which I have only seen about 30 minutes - because my wife is nagging me to finish off decorating because we have invited several friends round on Saturday - and well she's a woman - and can't stand the house looking a mess when people come round...

I've read so much stuff about what has been going on with regards to the Evil in the World, that I now do not discount it all - just the really crazy stuff for which I have no personal evidence - and yes I have seen a UFO pass over my house which seemed to crash about half a mile to the North, but I couldn't be bothered to look to see if an Alien climbed out of the wreckage. If he knocked on my door, and said hello mate - and was looking a bit distressed an ET like, then of course I would invite him in...

Just watch Jane Burgermeister or whatever she is called. She reminds me of an Ex-Girlfriend of a Friend of mine - very intellectual, well educated, sweet, nice and honest. Of course she could be making it all up, but everything she said is well documented elsewhere - but not in the mainstream press. If it was bollocks, then it should have been covered by the MSM as an example of a totally nutty conspiracy theory to be laughed at - or whatever. But they won't touch it with a bargepole.

And the economic wipeout has already happenned for Millions of People all over the World - By Accident or Design?

As for myself - well, I am totally amazed I myself am still alive and healthy. If this is just a load of bollocks then fair enough. And I do agree that exponential population growth is a very serious problem, I just don't agree with the Mass Genocide of Billions as a sensible way to solve the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU

Love & Peace,

Tony

Paul at November 5, 2009 1:25 PM:

One of the many hallmarks of fallacious argument is to discredit valid concerns by trumpeting absurdities. Like you just did. One skirmish does not, however, win a war.

'The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.' -- Friedrich Nietzsche, German philosopher (1844 - 1900)

The Quilliam Foundation is likely to be an MI5 front company, you know. All these reformed Jihadists, they are as lunatic as they ever were - rather like the neocon ex-Trots in the USA or like, say John Reid, ex-Stalinist. Same mindset, different cause. From one extreme to another. Lord save us from these Tubisms!

And yet you set up a secular not-for-profit arts production company, and Companies House chase you down as though you were bloody Enron if you're a day late because people pull funding out at the last minute! And you get fined the same, whether you're a transnational billion-dollar operation or a tiny arts company. While these security state front companies set up by ex-religious psychotics get our dosh instead, no questions asked, just as they used to get it when they were Holy Warriors fighting 'Communism'! Makes me mad, bad and dangerous to know! Any questions about Quilliam, direct 'em to the Security Service in London.

Check out: www.pakistanifilmfest.com

The Quilliam Foundation don't seem bothered with restoring the first mosque in England, opened on Christmas Day in 1889 at Brougham Terrace, Liverpool.

I agree with Suhayl Saadi. From what I've seen there is a vast national and international network of companies with evidence linking them to carousel fraud and yet these companies are protected by state agencies.

"The Quilliam Foundation don't seem bothered with restoring the first mosque in England, opened on Christmas Day in 1889 at Brougham Terrace, Liverpool."

Which is ironic, considering that QF is named after Abdullah Quilliam who set that mosque up in the first place! And Abdullah was an 'Islamist'!

It used to be the case, I don't know if it still is, that people who used a po box number had to register a fixed address behind it. This address is available for the public to scrutinize.

Craig, you could just as well have posted this topic under ' The Election '. Abscence of accounts is normal in Islam-ic organisations. This is because anybody who gets a footing in the Islam-ic world here in the UK is already buying and selling with the government. That is, selling Muslims and buying government authorisation.

This is the same as the Jack Straw syndrome in Bradford. But surely in that instance New Labour were buying Muslims and selling favours? Jack Straw was in fact selecting 'moderate Muslims' in exchange for favours. Muslims or Non-Muslims who criticised New Labour's foreign policies were not given any favours as you saw. The lovely M.P for Salford stated that Muslims were not even allowed to think anti-government thoughts.

What we have witnessed with Karzai, is what actually happens with the Muslim leaders here in the UK. No questions asked, deals done and permission granted. Quid pro quo, let us know if anyone of your community is challenging UK policies abroad.

If Quilliam presented accounts, it would instantly be obvious that it was a govt. sponsored organisation. This is just New Labour Hazel Blears anti-Islam quim.

The way things are going...Bit by bit by bit.

"In October 2008, the European Commission proposed"...

http://tinyurl.com/ylb24ve

Thanks, Ruth, for your support. I also agree with your analysis on this, anon. It is the application of imperial policy in the domestic sphere. They seem quite happy with pantomime villians (in or out of Central Casting costume) and yes-men; most of these two groups are likely to be on the payroll, as was the case with a certain number of union officials, media industrial correspondents, etc. during the Cold War. I sometimes wonder just who, among those I know, are on the covert payroll. What those with hard state power attempt to avoid, above all, is the prospect of a lucid and coherent oppositional critique aligned with a popular front power-base. If one wishes to study the mechanisms of imperial power in the familiar modern setting, one could do worse than to study Northern Ireland. This applies as much, and especially, to alternative economic frameworks as to any other socio-political groupings.

you say failure to file accounts is illegal. http://www.duport.co.uk/credit-reports/order.php this site is companies house made easy. When you check The Quilliam Foundation you get two company numbers: No: 06432342 and No: UC6258807. Only the first appears on companies house, they do not show UC prefix numbers or even businesses that only have a UC number. UC either means unincorporated or under charter, I'm not sure which but UC companies do not need to file accounts. Councils, courts and police stations are all registered companies in this way and I have been looking into this for a while because it all sounds very shifty.More info on tpuc.org

Does anybody know the names of all the directors and secretaries?

Excellent stuff Craig.

Only the other day the BBC was reporting a non-story about a Scottish charity returning public money it hadn't used - which was actually awfy honest of them, given most organisations, private or public, will find excuses to use up any budget still in credit before the end of the current financial year.

What made this a 'news story' was because it was the SNP-minority Scottish Government which was awarding the monies, and its recipient, a Scottish-Islamic charity -
Money returned by Islamic group
BBC Scotland
30 Oct 2009
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8333137.stm

Unlike The Quilliam Foundation, which attacks British Muslims and gets its dosh from the British New Labour Government hence the lack of scrutiny or the slightest interest in its financial integrity.

"Public Money Goes AWOL"...

http://tinyurl.com/ygsr453

Some research on The Quilliam Foundation, from J7, here:
http://tinyurl.com/yjnklck

"UC either means unincorporated or under charter, I'm not sure which but UC companies do not need to file accounts. Councils, courts and police stations are all registered companies in this way and I have been looking into this for a while because it all sounds very shifty."

If so, it means that QF has public status and is, in effect, part of the Home Office. If this is indeed the case, how about making a Freedom of Information request for QF's accounts?

The Quilliam Foundation has threatened to sue for libel and claim that they have indeed filed accounts.